Does the shape of your prison matter?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bedford_Level_experiment

https://archive.org/details/zeteticastronom00rowbgoog/page/n5/mode/1up

https://today.yougov.com/topics/society/articles-reports/2018/04/02/most-flat-earthers-consider-themselves-religious

https://www.forbes.com/sites/trevornace/2018/04/04/only-two-thirds-of-american-millennials-believe-the-earth-is-round

https://www.sciencealert.com/one-third-millennials-believe-flat-earth-conspiracy-statistics-yougov-debunk

https://www.sciencealert.com/small-lakes-keep-growing-across-the-planet-and-its-a-serious-problem

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2017/11/28/americas-flat-earth-movement-appears-to-be-growing

Purpose of this chapter

There is a trivial debate about what shape the prison of the system people are enslaved in is.  

Even though the debate is trivial there are key issues involved in the debate that are not irrelevant

People assume that they can trust NASA pictures and videos of "outer space" and of the earth as viewed from "outer space."  But such "space missions" should be treated as fake until proven real by personal observation not real until proven fake.  The reason for such an assumption is government organizations like the military and the CIA like to keep data classified from the public.  They are not just going to show a picture of the entire earth where you can see all their own military bases.  Another reason for such an assumption is the news outlets that showed NASA pictures and videos already have a proven track record of lying to the public.

The importance of showing that pictures and videos from NASA are fake is not to try to prove the earth is a certain shape.  In fact showing the pictures and videos are fake would not prove the earth is a certain shape. Fake pictures and videos would simply mean those specific pictures and videos can not be used as evidence to show what shape the earth is.  The importance of showing that pictures and videos from NASA are fake is to give someone more reason to doubt the trustworthiness of corporations, media outlets and all governments recognized as legitimate by the United Nations.  It would show multiple space travel corporations and multiple governments with joint space missions as well as all the large media outlets are on the same worldwide team working cooperatively together to fake data and not on separate competing teams.

Given that the pictures and videos are fake can we still know the shape of the earth by other means? 

Someone could personally buy their own rocket and get legal clearance to fly it high enough then see one half of the oblate spheroid from a distance.  They would then have to wait for the earth to rotate to make sure they are seeing a oblate spheroid and not a flat circle like shape that is mistaken for a cross section of a oblate spheroid.  This would involve a lot more equipment, teams of people, time and access to legal resources than most people are willing to expend to personally know the shape of their earth by their own observation.  They would believe that NASA or other government organizations and corporations already launched the rockets and took pictures of the earth so they do not have to personally spend the resources to know for themselves.

If the earth is shaped like a plane of unlimited size then no matter how far someone travels or how high up they go someone might never be able to know the whole earth is truly flat, but they could only know the section they have observed is approximately flat except for mountains and valleys and water holding valleys like lakes, seas and oceans.  I am not using mountains and valleys in the most technical meaning of those terms.

Debunking bad scientific and mathematical modeling and suggesting replacement models

Some people believe you can know the earth is a spinning oblate spheroid or is approximately a flat plane by certain simple experiments that do not involve a large amount of resources like hiring a team to build a rocket would.

Numerous glaringly obvious mistakes in the mathematical modeling of physics phenomena have occurred by very popular online celebrities advocating that science proves a flat earth or oblate spheroid earth.  

There has been a claim made involving a 8 inches per mile squared drop that "proves the shape of the earth" advocated by both flat earthers and globe earthers that is easily debunked with basic trigonometry.  8 inches per mile squared is a rounded estimate of a Trigonmetric equation that measures something different than what these people advocate.  

People have said you can tell the earth is round because objects look shorter as they get near a horizon but in reality their would be a horizon and objects would look shorter as they get farther away no matter what shape the earth is.  On a flat earth the entire object would get shorter but on a oblate spheroid earth the entire object would get shorter and you would be unable to see a larger portion of the bottom of the object than on a flat earth.  

People have advocated that centrifugal force could create artificial gravity on space stations or that centrifugal force would send objects flying off the earth when centrifugal force is a fictitious force.  Objects do not move farther away from a center of rotation in response to a centrifugal force instead a centripetal force keeps them from moving perpendicular to the direction between the object and the center of rotation.

Other people have said that there is no gravity but instead bouyancy and density alone explains effects that people attribute to gravity.  This is problematic because there needs to be a downward force to explain the existence of bouyancy and in the absense of a downward force the pressure from fluids would push objects in no specific direction and would not make objects float or sink but only experience compression.  Most people have historically called that downward force gravity.  

Although that brings up another problem, gravity can be measured locally on earth using a simple experiment I will describe.  However the legitimacy of how the universal gravitational constant has been measured by observers close to earth's surface is debated,  Many experiments take a object of large mass inside a building and try to prove that mass effects the force on objects through gravity but they do not measure the mass of other objects nearby when the experiment is being conducted such as walls, tables, the entire building the object is in and the experimenter's own body.  How do they measure mass anyway?  Most people do not understand the basic difference between mass and weight which I will explain in this chapter.

Some people have claimed you can see the dome by shining a flashlight straight up into the sky ignoring that light can reflect, refract, diffract and be absorbed by fluids such as liquids and gases and by small pieces of solid suspended in a fluid and not by big solid objects like a giant dome alone.  

In this chapter I will try to explain alternative models to describe certain issues that I believe have been badly modeled by popular science celebrities advocating for either a flat earth or a globe earth and a stationary earth or a spinning earth.

Although the mathematical and scientific processes I will propose involving this question are far from perfect and might even have some glaring mistakes to people better skilled and more experienced in math and science than me they will be an improvement over what currently has widespread popularity

Most people would rather trust other people who claim to know the shape at their word and that mentality about how to understand reality is a serious problem.  Some people will have blind faith in the scientific consensus instead of using the scientific method for themselves.  

Other people will claim we can know the earth is a certain shape such as a oblate spheroid based on religious books even though other people will claim the same religious books say the earth is a different shape such as flat.  Some people will go so far as to say not only do these religious books say the earth is flat but that the religious books say the earth has a dome over it.  This chapter will not cover why different religious books say what shape the earth is.  

I will say however that some Atheists are incredibly emotionally invested to say the earth is flat according to the Bible and or the Quran and that the NASA proves that these religious books can not be trusted and therefore Atheism is correct.  Some Christians and Muslims are incredible emotionally invested and will say the Bible or Quran said the earth was round or shaped like a spheroid all along even before NASA proved it confirming we should trust the Bible.  Other Christians and Muslims are emotionally invested to say the Bible or the Quran teaches the earth is flat and that there is proof NASA is committing fraud and this is reason we should believe in their god instead of believing in NASA. 

There is a psychological operation going on here.  "The story tellers" have NASA makes some pictures and videos that are obviously fake.  "The story tellers" then wait several years and put out material online debunking NASA pictures and videos and add on the extra claim that the earth is flat.  Even though you can not prove the earth is flat by proving NASA pictures and videos are fake.  The additional claim that the earth is flat is a red herring of great importance to this psychological operation because people believe the scientific consensus has proved the earth is not flat and therefore believing the earth is flat is connected in the minds of the population with rejecting science.

These flat earth memes and videos become very popular not because the general population wants to believe the earth is flat but because "the story tellers" ensure certain videos become very popular since they control large media outlets.  These flat earth memes and videos also become popular with people who are "truthers" because of the debunking NASA part not the flat earth part.  These pictures and videos are particularly popular with certain religious demographics other than materialistic Atheism as an alternative to the NASA materialistic "Atheist" propaganda.  The popular flat earth material available online in the English language that I have seen and heard primarily targets Christians and what some people might describe as New Agers.  I have not seen Islamic material which debunks NASA in English but perhaps it might be found in languages popular in Muslim countries including but not necessarily limited to Arabic.

"The storytellers" simultaneously promote both flat earth and NASA spheroid earth videos in order to promote censorship.  "The story tellers" spread the narrative on their media outlets that people will believe the earth is flat and reject science without the assistance of censorship.  I could see the possibility that "the storytellers" might also instruct certain Muslim or other religious groups' clergy to tell people the earth is flat according to the Quran or some other religious source and we need to censor blasphemy that says the earth is round such as this fake NASA propaganda.  As long as censorship is accepted by society at large this is viewed as a successful operation from the viewpoint of "the storytellers" because a pro censorship mentality must be promoted in order for cult like soft "mind control" to be successful.  Without a pro censorship mentality people are willing to find evidence and use reason to realize they are being lied to and cult like soft mind control eventually fails.

The promotion of a uninquisitive mindset by the flat earth and oblate spheroid earth propaganda "the story tellers" use is not limited to censorship.  There is an added bonus of making people uninterested in exploration.  Some people will believe now that we have seen the globe there is nothing left to explore.  Other people will believe that since the flat earth is covered by a dome there is nothing left to explore.  This is great if you want to hide classified base locations, hide resources and maybe even hide an escape route to freedom from the general public. 

Although some people might view NASA propaganda as a means to spread materialist Atheism the NASA propaganda is actually used as part of religious magick.  NASA had connections with Alleister Crowley who created a system of ceremonial or ritual magick.  These Crowley connections trace back to Jack Parsons.  It is also important to understand that the disney corporation which uses "movie magic" is connected with NASA.

Note :  The letter "K" is intentionally included in magic in certain religions that practice magick

What is outer space?

The term outer space is somewhat arbitrary.  Some people imagine that once someone goes to a high enough altitude they are in "outer space" which is a perfect vacuum where they are no longer subject to the earth's gravitational forces.  In reality no perfect vacuum has been found.  In fact, any man made satellites humans have sent into "outer space" that are at a lower altitude than the height the moon is above the earth are still subject to a practically significant quantity of earth's gravitational forces and are not free from earth's gravity on account of being in "outer space."

The cut off point at which one is high enough to be considered in "outer space" but lower than the moon is above the earth is somewhat arbitrary.  When some people think about outer space they think about distant planets but when NASA talks about space missions they often refer to trips that do not even reach as far as the moon.  For example many so called space missions might involve visiting the international space station which is said to be at a lower altitude than the moon.  To avoid this misunderstanding it might be better to call "space travel" or "space missions" by the names "high altitude travel" or "high altitude missions" instead.  

The term outer space would still be useful to describe the zone as far away as the moon is from the earth and farther.  This is the zone where the other planets reside in the heliocentric model that the general public actually thinks of as outer space.  But if humans formed a space colony on the planet Mars then Earth might be in outer space from the point of view of those space colonists creating further problems with the term outer space.  

Space as in space missions is short hand for outer space as in outer space missions.  Nonetheless I will call missions involving satellites ( like the international space station ) at a lower altitude than the distance the moon is from the earth "space missions" because that is common convention.

Are moon landings and orbiting satellites real?

I claim that the apollo 11 moon landing propaganda piece given to the public was fake

I do not deny that humans might have landed on the moon nor that humans might have satellites orbiting the planet earth

A fake apollo 11 propaganda piece does not mean that humans never landed on the moon nor that humans have never sent satellites that orbit the planet earth nor that humans have never sent objects to other planets.  Humans could have genuinely landed on the moon on other days but most likely all films of humans on "space missions" given to the public at large are fake.  

The United States of America was not competing with the communists in the cold war

Some people claim that the United States of America wanted to trick "the communists" into believing that they landed on the moon first to make progress toward winning the cold war.  This could not be further from the truth.  

The United States of America was a communist State during the so called cold war

First if communism is defined as taxing one group of people with the claimed purpose of giving to another group of people then the Unites States of America was already a communist State at the time the first moon landing occurred!  There was no cold war between communists and non communists because the United States of America was already on team communism at the time.  The existence of different competing nations that were not already both dominated by the same "story tellers" during the time of apollo 11 was most likely a myth.

The United States of America was on the same team as other communist States not competing with them on joint "space missions"

Second there was no "space mission" competition between different countries because the United States of America has done joint space missions with it's "competitors."  People have have produced many books and videos composed of sections of material from official NASA sources and explained reasons why we can know NASA is still manufacturing fake pictures and fake videos.  Someone could have made fake material that was not from NASA sources and claimed such material was from NASA sources.  But you can sometimes search NASA sources for yourself and confirm that those video clips and pictures contain material that really could be found in NASA sources and were not fabricated by people trying to frame NASA.  In some cases you might need something like the "way back machine" to find material NASA removed.  Since this fakery is found in international joint "space missions" this means that not only is the United States of America's NASA organization faking pictures but all other countries who have space programs that cooperate with NASA are creating fake pictures and fake videos.  This can only mean that at the top level there are not many countries on competing teams but a one world slavery system ruled by a group of "story tellers" on the same team.

Fake spaces missions do not necessarily mean the earth is flat

Since some of the photos and videos shown to the public are fake then one might conclude that if there are genuine photos and videos from "outer space" they are being censored.  Either there were no missions that reached the highest altitudes they claimed or there were missions that reached those altitudes but the genuine photos and videos have not been shown to civilians in the general public.  

It is possible that some of the photos and videos they show to the public are genuine and some are fake but that does not make much sense in terms of motives.  

They could have showed 100% of the genuine pictures and videos in their collection and mixed in fake pictures and videos but this would make no sense because they would have had motive to hide classified information

If they wanted to show some genuine pictures and videos but wanted to censor some of the genuine photos and videos then they would have no need to show fake pictures and videos because they could just reduce the number of genuine pictures the public is allowed to see without faking any pictures or videos.

My guess is therefore that 100% of the pictures and videos from "outer space" are fake if any of them are fake

There might be real high altitude videos from military vehicles but in this case by "outer space" I mean at the altitude which is so high that even most members of the military Air Force are not permitted and or physically able to access it.

I do not believe the primary reason for such censorship would involve the shape of the earth.  Why are fake high altitude pictures and videos being provided instead of real high altitude pictures or videos of the visible half of the entire oblate spheroid earth if the earth is not flat?

Why they would fake "space mission" footage

These missions would most likely be fake in order to censor access to data like the locations of classified operational bases and possibly certain geographical areas of special interest like hidden resources or hidden islands and not necessarily to censor the shape of the earth as some have claimed.

Hiding operational or military bases 

A real high altitude picture or video of some part of the world might show the location of military bases.  If one believed in competing nations one might believe United States of America's NASA organization provided fake pictures of the earth and videos of the earth instead of the genuine one's so that competing nations would not see where their military bases really are.  However since the set of governments recognized as legitimate by the United Nations are all on the same team, the purpose would actually be to hide military or operational bases from civilians from their own nation and not from foreign governments.

These bases might be operational bases not just military bases.  Such operational bases could include secret scientific research projects, secret bunkers for slavemasters to hide from the public for safety and secrecy purposes or secret encampments where sentient beings are subject to more overt forms of slavery or more overtly unethical biological or psychological experiments.  These bases might also include training centers for crisis actors and actors who play politicians, bankers and news anchors or other people who are designated by "the story tellers" to be their representatives who people see while "the story tellers" are unseen.

Hiding islands or large land masses

There might be other places to travel to that the slavemasters do not want their slaves to know about.  This could be to prevent escape from the system, prevent slaves from accessing resources, to hide operational bases described above or for other reasons.

Hidden resources

Many types of resources could be gathered on hidden land, such as mining operations, underground oil rigs or agricultural operations.  There could also be sections of water with resources that the slavemasters do not want the slaves to see.  It might be possible to harvest aquatic life, have oil rigs in water or harvest chemicals or materials from aquatic regions.  The world we live on is thought of as being composed of land, water and air but their might be some fourth category of thing I do not have a name for that is part of the world that would be found in high altitude photos or videos of parts of the world that the slavemasters do not want the slaves to see.

What is a shape agnostic?

I am not a flat earther.  I am a shape agnostic.  This does not mean in my case that I do not believe the shape of the earth can be known.  I believe that I do not possess enough, time, resources and manpower for me to know the shape of the earth but that other people with more time, resources and manpower than me could know the shape of the earth by traveling to a high enough altitude if it is a closed shape of finite volume.  It would be great if they did and showed me what it was but instead they keep on sending out fake propaganda pieces.  Even if they sent me real footage after so much propaganda I simply could not trust the footage to be real after their pattern of compulsive lying at this point.  If the surface of the earth was a almost flat plane of unlimited cross sectional area then no matter how far one traveled one could never prove it was flat and had no end.  Could I develop the time, resources and manpower to know the shape of the earth?  Maybe but I would rather use those things to free society from enslavement then to know the shape of the prison which I together with the rest of known humanity are imprisoned in.

I can guess that it might be a oblate spheroid of known radius because otherwise there would be a lot more travel accidents and mistakes based on most people using the wrong maps if the earth was some other shape and size.  But when people thought the earth was flat they could still travel long distances using the maps they had and should have had so many more accidents if they did not know the earth was an oblate spheroid of a certain known radius.

I could try to take various measurements at one location and see if they fit the model for a certain shape at a certain time.  But let's say I found evidence helping to confirm that shape.  I would personally have to collect evidence all over the world and make sure the evidence collected at other locations does not refute that shape that I believed I confirmed in other previous experiments.  I could use published data on experimental measurements done at different places and times by other people and trust the people collecting those measurements by faith to save the time and avoid collecting measurements myself.  Can I trust the measurement claims from one group of people if they censor another group of people with conflicting measurement claims?

What are some types of shapes the earth could be?

If earth is a spheroid then it must have finite volume and a finite longest length from any one part of it to another part in three dimensional Euclidean geometry.  This is true for many other potential shapes like a cube shaped earth whether we live inside or outside the earth

1 We could live inside a closed object of finite volume

- An example of this would include but not be limited to that the earth could be a sphere and people live inside the sphere and light sources like stars are inside the earth not outside the earth.  

2 We could live outside a closed object of finite volume

- An example of this would include but not be limited to the standard heliocentric model in which the earth is a spinning oblate spheroid that revolves around the sun.

3 We could live on top of a object

Such a shape could include living on top of a a plane like surface of unlimited cross sectional area having unlimited length in either one or two dimensions with minor deviations from a perfect plane such as mountains.  Even though their is a gaseous medium called air above the surface, the solid or liquid mediums such as including but not limited to earth magma and water could continue below such a surface downward for a finite or unlimited length.

It would also be possible to live on top of a plane like surface of finite cross sectional area with the solid or liquid mediums below it continuing downward for a unlimited length.

Another three dimensional shape possibility might look like the merging of two rays which both share a common origin when viewed as a two dimensional cross section.  Each of these rays could go on forever in one direction but not in the other direction.

There are many other shapes like that someone could live on but in order to have unlimited volume in three dimensional Euclidean geometry such shapes would not wrap around back on to themselves like a sphere.  Although I am unsure of this such objects of unlimited volume that do not wrap back on themselves might be called open or unenclosed if certain definition conventions are used.

We could also live on top of a object of finite volume that is very thin such as including but not limited to a flat Frisbee disk like shaped earth.

Space Travel Genuine Science or Religious Propaganda Fiction Films?

Parsons was one of the founders of the NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory, or JPL, at Caltech, where the first rocket experiments were conducted in 1936. But as Pendle’s curiosity about Parsons grew, so did his roadblocks. More than 70 years later, Parsons’ involvement was still a sore subject for the JPL.

“When I tried to interview people [there], they were just not interested,” Pendle said, adding that the general consensus was, “He’s not the sort of person we want to talk about.”

But a librarian at the JPL named John Bluth had been quietly exhuming moldy old papers belonging to the innovator that were being used to fill cracks in walls. Combing through the information, Pendle found a man of many contradictions — the creator of a whole new science who believed that rocketry could be a boon to mankind just as strongly as he felt he could summon mystical beings to Earth using explosions and magical rituals.

https://web.archive.org/web/20180620054435/https://nypost.com/2018/06/19/this-sex-crazed-cultist-was-the-father-of-modern-rocketry/

Rocket science and “sex magic” make strange bedfellows — but...

Parsons attended one of Crowley’s OTO masses, led by “magicians,” in LA in 1939, and became enamored with the odd leader’s beliefs in hidden dimensions and the religion’s unique sexual freedom. Participants were encouraged to swap partners — three decades before the sexual revolution.

https://web.archive.org/web/20180620054435/https://nypost.com/2018/06/19/this-sex-crazed-cultist-was-the-father-of-modern-rocketry/

In 1943, Crowley, who wanted Smith to step down, declared Smith “a god,” ordering him to tattoo “666” on his forehead, abandon Agape Lodge and wander the desert making no contact with OTO members. Parsons was installed as Agape’s new leader.

https://web.archive.org/web/20180620054435/https://nypost.com/2018/06/19/this-sex-crazed-cultist-was-the-father-of-modern-rocketry/

Parsons spent his final days working for the Special Effects Corp

https://web.archive.org/web/20180620054435/https://nypost.com/2018/06/19/this-sex-crazed-cultist-was-the-father-of-modern-rocketry/

Is outer Space Movie Magic by Disney and other media outlets?

Article on Von Braun and Walt Disney

"The Disney-Von Braun Collaboration and Its Influence on Space Exploration"

by Mike Wright, Marshall Space Flight Center Historian

https://web.archive.org/web/20180304232723/https://www.nasa.gov/centers/marshall/history/vonbraun/disney_article.html

Pioneers - Walt Disney and Wernher von Braun

In the 1950s, Wernher von Braun worked with Disney Studio as a technical director, making three films about space exploration for television. Walt Disney visited von Braun at Redstone Arsenal in Huntsville, Ala., in 1954.

https://web.archive.org/web/20180831000833/https://www.nasa.gov/audience/foreducators/rocketry/imagegallery/rp_disney.jpg.html

Tim Ozman and Marcus Goldfinch

Marcus found his way into the arts through his love of the outdoors and sports. During his early years with Les Mills, as a Personal Trainer, and Group Fitness Instructor, Marcus supplemented his income by finding work on the Hit TV Series, Hercules: The Legendary Journeys (1995-1999), and Xena: Warrior Princess (1995-1999)

https://web.archive.org/web/20130411062939/https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2828783/

Flat Earth Productions is a special effects company created in 1995 to provide the effects to the television series Xena: Warrior Princess and Hercules: The Legendary Journeys. It later went on to provide the effects for Blade, Mortal Kombat: Annihilation and Dungeons and Dragons.

https://web.archive.org/web/20110209011706/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth_Productions

YOUTUBE, LLC ASSISTED IN IDENTITY THEFT AGAINST PODCASTER

Nov 13, 2022

Infinite Plane Radio’s copyrights were wrongfully granted to a serial infringer in 2018

ALBUQUERQUE, NOVEMBER 14, 2022 -- Youtube LLC has reportedly colluded in Identity Theft against a podcaster. Their legal department granted trademarks and copyrights to Marcus Goldfinch, who seized the rights to the podcaster Tim Ozman’s voice and content in 2018. Ozman has reported Goldfinch and Youtube LLC to the FBI.

 Tim Ozman, host of Infinite Plane Radio has continually been denied copyrights over the channel’s content because Marcus Goldfinch fraudulently asserted rights by emailing Youtube’s legal department:

“...Dear YouTube, I am the legal owner of the name ‘TIMOZMAN’ and ‘INFINITE PLANE SOCIETY’ They are just two of MY brand names. That is ME in the video speaking. To prove it as such, I have pointed my domain name and brand identity TIMOZMAN dot COM to my YouTube Channel that holds that same name, as well as INFINITEPLANESOCIETY.ORG I have also copied myself to this email using my brand identities. Please let me know if you wish to communicate with me via those email addresses if it helps.” -http://marcusgoldfinch.icu/

Goldfinch cyber squatted on domains in order to bolster his credibility with Youtube’s legal department. He gloatingly explains how he accomplished this in an email to a third party:

“...So far 32 channels terminated and over 80 individual videos taken down…I would became the ‘official’ rights holder on YouTube to the content. If he ever tried to upload the same ‘old’ videos at a later date, after I had already uploaded them, I could take them down for copyright infringement under YouTube’s… and it worked… that's why he is so frustrated. My TIMOZMAN channel is SO heavily branded as such, that YouTube will ALWAYS give me the benefit of the doubt.” - http://marcusgoldfinch.icu/

Goldfinch and Youtube LLC have committed textbook Identity Theft, ​​a crime classifiable as a 4th Degree felony.

“Goldfinch is the CEO of George News, a hugely popular Qanon influencer channel and his motivation for suppressing Infinite Plane Radio may come down to simple competition,” Ozman said, “but I suspect he never expected to get sued over this or the other fraudulent and cybercrimes he has and is committing against me.”

http://web.archive.org/web/20221210160527/https://enterhollywood.com/news/youtube-llc-assisted-in-identity-theft-against-podcaster/0411159

"My own Youtube channel discussed the same topics as Eric Dubay, and he probably considered me competition."

Note : "My" meaning "Tim Ozman" not the author of this book)

https://web.archive.org/web/20210406185701/https://conspiratained.blogspot.com/2021/02/how-i-learned-identity-of-q-anon-by-tim.html

"MGTV gets doxed Now, MGTV is also a FLAT EARTHER Channel. MGTV did a movie project with Eric Dubay"

Note : MGTV is believed to stand for Marcus Goldfinch Television

https://web.archive.org/web/20210406185701/https://conspiratained.blogspot.com/2021/02/how-i-learned-identity-of-q-anon-by-tim.html

Was Tim Ozman shut down for accidentally interfering with a limited hang out?

I do not believe it was only merely a matter of "simple competition."  A guard rail or limited hangout is where a agent provides some truthful information about what their organization is doing but limits the nature of the information.  They do this in order to limit the thinking process of individuals who listen to the agent's information.  There are at least three ways a limited hangout can work to achieve this goal.

 1 By distracting their focus toward truthful of lessor importance to reduce their time accessing truthful information of greater importance

2 By presenting only certain truthful information so that the people hearing the information on the limited hangout think certain people or organizations are "bad guys" or "good guys" when they would have a different opinion about those people or organizations if other truthful information was presented instead or in addition to the information they present.  In addition to providing the truthful information about activities that occurred they might say that so and so were "bad" or "good" to have done those activities which is more of a value system judgment than a claim about the historical accuracy of events.

3 By mixing in false information with some truthful information.  Someone might hear some truthful information from the agent and believe the agent is therefore trustworthy.  They then might believe the false information the agent says is true because in their mind they have already confirmed the trustworthiness of the agent based on the truthful information the agent presented.

If what Tim Ozman said about Marcus Goldfinch is correct and if Marcus Goldfinch was involved in "flat earth productions" then by posting critiques of NASA without saying the earth is definitely flat and without saying the earth has a dome, Tim Ozman may have unknowingly undermined a limited hangout run by Marcus Goldfinch resulting in Marcus Goldfinch trying to shut down Tim Ozman.  Marcus Goldfinch would also have the motive to shut down Tim Ozman for explaining other Psychological Operations done by news outlets which Tim Ozman claimed were actually hoaxes and not merely false flags.  It is considered acceptable to say that a false flag occurred at a terrorist event and a different set of bad guys executed civilians but by claiming the news was entirely fake and no civilians died but they were all crisis actors Tim Ozman may have crossed the line.  Tim Ozman may have also interfered in Marcus Goldfinch's limited hangout by exposing fake aspects of the news in other ways.

Controlled opposition is related to limited hangout

Tim Ozman also claims the "space missions" are made to tell a mythological religious story.  The rocket "scientist" Jack Parson's involvement in religious ritual magick is one piece to the puzzle of NASA and religious mythology that Tim Ozman has pointed out.

If you want to understand psychological operations involving NASA and the difference between hoaxes and false flags Tim Ozman is a good source of information.  You can find out more about Tim Ozman by doing a internet search for 

" Tim Ozman "

" Infinite Plane Radio "

" Infinite Plane Society "

Tim Ozman's theory about Elon Musk and underground mines.

Writing in his 1952 science fiction novel "Project Mars", engineer Werner von Braun described a man called "Elon" who ruled over the Red Planet.

https://web.archive.org/web/20210507151221/https://www.thesun.co.uk/tech/14881853/predict-man-elon-colonise-mars-book/

Elon Musk is an anagram for Lone Skum or in other words Lone Scum

Space X sounds like Space Sex.  Space X is part of symbolic ritual magick with sexual metaphors

Elon Musk is involved with SpaceX. Tesla and the Boring Company

Loan Scum and the "paypal mafia"

Elon musk's anagram identity as Lone Scum sounds like Loan Scum.  Tim Ozman has not proposed Elon musk to be "loan" but only "lone" as far as I would guess so I am not claiming to represent Tim Ozman when I say this.  Although I am not claiming he would disagree with me either.

But perhaps Elon Musk is really Loan Scum to refer to unethical financial practices

"Individuals whom the media refers to as members of the PayPal Mafia include"

https://web.archive.org/web/20221212212652/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PayPal_Mafia

"Elon Musk"

https://web.archive.org/web/20221212212652/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PayPal_Mafia

List of litigation against Paypal and criticism and controversies are provided in the links below.  There are too many to copy

Some people might think Paypal likes withholding funds to groups that do not match paypals political goals from such lists.  

Some people have told me paypal will take money people donate to charities and refuse to give it to the charities but also refuse to return it to the person who donates such money.  Such charities I was told included charities for helping victims of natural disasters which I would assume is not a politically controversial issue so they might also just like taking money in such a manner when a large amount of money is raised for any charity regardless of the cause even if it is not associated with a particular political party.  

And I am not saying PayPal has worse scandals than other corporations that provide the same type of services.  I am sure if someone chooses a different large corporation to replace the type of services they might want from paypal they would have similar scandals, because if any large corporation was not a political weapon then some government would have shut them down already on behalf of "the story tellers."

"With the company suffering from compounding technological issues and the lack of a cohesive business model, the board ousted Musk and replaced him with Thiel in September 2000."

https://web.archive.org/web/20221222121422/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk

But it sounds like Loan Scum can not be blamed for paypals ethical scandals after September 2000 since he was ousted.  Besides Loan Scum is probably just an actor playing a entrepreneur and not really managing anything.  Why would someone so rich and powerful who does unethical financial practices give you their real identity when they can hire a actor to replace them and put the actor's life at risk instead of their own?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PayPal#Criticism_and_controversies

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PayPal#Litigation

What does digging underground tunnels with the boring company have to do with SpaceX and fake space travel videos?

Tim Ozman believes that Elon Musk will tell people that they will be sent to Mars or some other location and put them in a fake space ride similar to those at disney amusement parks.  They might be told they will be temporarily put asleep, in hibernation or suspended animation through the use of sedative drugs.  They will be told that they will need to start the colony underground in Mars.  They will then do mining operations underground.

I would like to point out that underground mine slave labour could occur no matter what shape the earth is

I would like to point out that people could go to even an island or land mass to be tricked into slave labour and be told that they are on another planet which has alien life.  There could be islands or land masses on earth that NASA has not shown to the public and that are censored by things like google maps.  Google maps could censor areas by other means than blacking them out.  Google maps and similar tools could actually put fake images of water over entire islands or land masses in place of pictures of what is really there.

There is also the potential for underwater slave labour in which there are bases that are below sea level with long breathing tubes connected to a gas source that attach to people tricked into doing underwater work.  People could be told they are exploring a underwater section of another planet with alien life.

This is similar to the movie Starchaser: The Legend of Orin in which the character starts out in a underground mine and does not know there is a world above him.  He is instructed to never dig up

"There is a world above, a magnificent universe to which you can return, if you have the courage."

https://web.archive.org/web/20221209143526/https://www.stockq.org/moviescript/S/starchaser-the-legend-of-orin.php

"A world above?  - I don't know. Freedom?  Lies!  All lies!  But why would anyone lie about an upper world, Raymo?  By believing the words of that demon, you spit on the most sacred commandment-"Never dig up."  Up is Hell.  What if the commandments are wrong?  What if there is a world beyond our own?  By not trying to find it, we could spend the rest of eternity digging and dying"

https://web.archive.org/web/20221209143526/https://www.stockq.org/moviescript/S/starchaser-the-legend-of-orin.php

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